Their bloodied bodies were found in a wooded area less than half a mile from the bridge. "(It's) easier to do that than to describe (the suspect) using just words," Bryant said. Slide to see images taken at the end of bridge and down the hill. "I also want to thank all of the reporters, podcasters, and other news and social media outlets for keeping our girls' story relevant and in the public eye. The only reason they would be looking for that is if the crime was videotaped. Unless it's really a 'he', and they say it was a female witness to confuse the killer. and FSG saying he saw arguing couple. "So when we check the phone records, the police call was about 5:20, -Becky Patty,Timestamp 29:00, Interview with Mike And Becky Patty by Gray Hughes, 7. Possible Accomplice is at the lower level of suspect, and its not even known if he was ever at the crime scene that day. Most recently, Chris Lambert, the creator and host of the Your Own Backyard podcast, was credited with playing an instrumental role in bringing Paul Flores to justice for the murder of Kristin Smart, a student who vanished without a trace in 1996. Stands for Kegan Dunker my poi. August 26, 2017 Bryant did not draw the sketch that police released in July 2017. Im not sure if the second validated the dolls in trees. The first woman contacted two separate team members in addition to the first person, so shes told at least three separate people so far. . 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. pm on February [13th] 2017. I am also curious about the origin of the sketch. Timestamp 7:32Video of Indiana State Police Press conference, April 22 2019, 4. Delphi murders suspect Richard Matthew Allen, who was arrested last week for the 2017 double slaying of teens Liberty "Libby" German and Abigail "Abby" Williams, lived and worked in the community. The Monon High Bridge has 6 platforms jutting o. ut in an alternating pattern of left and right periodically across the bridge. On August 14, 2017Indiana State PoliceFirst Sgt. Subscribe to Forensic Tales podcast so you dont miss an episode! Horse and buggy pictured standing on the Deer Creek with the Monon High Bridge visible in the background. "Doug Carter made it clear at the press conference yesterday that the investigation was not over, and he would not rule out the possibility of more people being involved. "The bridge has been used as a backdrop for photo shoots like senior pictures, wedding photos, or to simply capture the beauty of the untouched nature that surrounds it." Witness sees Delphi Murder suspect, but just recently comes forward to help with composite sketch This article says the recent sketch was from a witness who saw BG. Police dont call this man a suspect or person of interest in the murders. Where was this and again what time was this? Also, LE seem to have an actual suspect in mind as a possible accomplice, as he said the possible accomplice is considerably younger than Mr. X and has a much greater ability to run. They dont want him taking off. Allen has been charged with two counts of murder and is currently being held in a state facility without bond. Whether law enforcement is sure the DNA they have is the definitively the offender's is unknown. [7]. ", "A Delphi, Indiana, police detective looks for evidence at the scene where the two girl's bodies where found. But what we found out recently was he is apparently not the killer. No one else has come close to uncovering the amount and quality of information we have. I think a witness would assume that the suspect was a local or from the nearby region and that the witness was probably a local. We simply think that he ought to be investigated for possible involvement in the crime, unwitting or not. The report of the girls head being only attached by an inch of skin implies a single huge blow with a hatchet because this is the sort of wound a hatchet, not a knife, would have caused. Problem is if you are posting here, youre not posting in the private group. All of the material is referenced in terms of where it come from and how good of a source it is. For more information, please see our They said that because its a composite that was junk from the very start, and further, it looks nothing like the main suspect. Replies analysing and speculating over the mystery and possible explanations are encouraged. Mike Patty has said that on February 13, 2017 he went back to the house and collected "any Ipads or Ipods or computers or anything electronic gadgetry that I could come across to take back in" to law enforcement. And they say the phone is now deadI saw the texts where they got delivered, but they never got read, [7]. And at some point in the process, she would have sexually violated the other girl with sticks and twigs, while later, she would have to violate herself in much the same way, and then she would have had to have jammed twigs and sticks into the many stab wounds in her body, after which she would have cut her own throat. It looks like he got it all wrong. The angle of approach and side of bridge can be deduced based on the platforms visible and distinctive foliage in the video. There were two deer standing up there. "Why did we let them go out there? Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. He stood there for a little bit, he looked around and didnt see anybody or anything so he thinks he started walking towards the High Bridge, he was just about to where it forks and he ran into an older gentleman that was coming from the High Bridge and he asks him Did you see a couple of girls there? and he said No, but there's a couple down underneath." - Becky Patty, Timestamp 22:47,Interview with Mike And Becky Patty by Gray Hughes, https://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/help-isp-identify-this-man-who-was-on-the-walking-trails-monday-near-delphi. Investigators had previously released a different composite sketch that was "based on a previous witness," according to Carter. And so the other sketch was somebody saw, in the area, and was suspicious about. As he looked up to see what it was, that is when he saw them, said Libbys grandma, Becky Patty. Footprints can sometimes indicate approximate height and weight of a person. WLFI article Community continues to search for missing teens, 8. A newspaper photographer, mentioned earlier in Evidence V, named J. Kyle Keener added a description to his facebook photo album in which he describes what he could see in the creek on February 14, 2017. Attorneys representing Allen said they got evidence from prosecutors Monday and expect this to take four to eight weeks to go . Train crossing the Monon High Bridge. I only (saw) a guy when I first got there and another couple once I got on the bridge. [11] It is possible to get a rough estimate of where the bodies were based off of placement of crime scene tape in the woods. It is also possible that this journalist meant only to imply that any video of a killer approaching would haunt investigators. The Indiana detectives investigating the 2017 Delphi murders claimed on Thursday to have new leads in the case and warned their suspect that they know who he is - but are yet to make any arrests . Others were used by the Pharos Tribune in their coverage of the homicides. -Mike Patty, Timestamp 32:00, Interview with Mike And Becky Patty by Gray Hughes, 6. Obviously none of this happened, but BG may have wanted to stage it to look like a murder-suicide as of a sick joke. Do they charge or do they just do it for fun? Delphi, Indiana- In the early days and months of the Delphi Murder investigation information was developed about suspect descriptions. As we noted above, one girl suffered a grievous wound to the throat. Authorities announced Monday the arrest of Richard Allen, center, for the murders of Libby German, left, and her best friend, Abby Williams, in Feb. 2017. At the moment, we have no idea that the boy in the catfish photo is the same young man who was seen at the bridge that day. Great post. In this video taped interview, Holeman says: On February 23, 2017Sheriff Leazenby gives an interview and based on this interview some media outlets wrote articles such asthe one written by CBS-4 Indianastating: The following day,February 24, 2017, Sheriff Leazenby speaks to the press again to clarify his earlier statements. building torn down. Richard Allen is a pharmacy technician and married father who is accused in the 2017 murders of two girls, Abigail Williams and Liberty German, near an old railroad bridge in Delphi, Indiana . Just a question. The suspect is seen walking across the bridge in blue jeans and a jacket. Delphi murders investigation timeline: Review the case through 5 years of reporting. In that case you could understand her hesitation in coming forward; being so close to being his victim that day would be enough to scare you into silence. Whether those are the same person is not yet known, but it is possible. I forgot to mention that you said that you may have a motive? They were murdered in a very short window of time between 2:07 pm (when Libby posted a picture of Abby to Snapchat) and 3 pm (when other witnesses were in the area but heard no sounds). Well thats because that's where all the kids were. Stepson X is Mrs. Xs child by a previous marriage and may have been adopted by Mr. X. Interviewer: Is the attack itself on the recording? They have vaguely confirmed there were multiple witnesses when describing the process of creating the composite sketch. Also, we have not yet confirmed that there was more than one killer involved in this crime, but see below for more on that. Thanks Remah! This route went from Chicago to Indianapolis and was called the Airline route. [6], An article is published by WLFI which interviews Mike Patty who says The cellphone has been pinging around town and here there is a cellphone tower but the ping was last noted around five to six hours ago. Also this rumor has been somewhat backed up by a third LE sources close to the investigation, who said both girls had been violated with foreign objects. Now we have three references to this statement, all from the police themselves. Now onto the match. We believe a lot of it is true. These sketches were both alleged to have been created by witnesses speaking with a sketch artist. April 22, 2019 Indiana State Police News Bulletin, 3. I think they love to hate you because you are that good! [1], The official stated reason for this change according to the press release is As the investigation has progressed, information has been continuously reviewed and examined and this sketch more accurately depicts the face of the suspect from the video recorded on Liberty German's cell phone while she and Abigail were on the High Bridge. [2], During the conference Police Superintendent Doug Carter said We have concluded the first sketch released will become secondary as of today, the result of the new information and intelligence over time leads us to believe the sketch which you will see shortly is the person responsible for the murders of these two little girls. [3]. Libby is regarded as a true hero for having the presence of mind to record her killer. The man thought about his words for a bit before wording them very carefully. JBC is innocent of this crime. Thanks, SMK! Visitors Online 1,235 Visitors Online 1,235 Home. First of all, it bears no good resemblance to Mr. X, the main suspect in the crime. But this also why the Old BG sketch is no good. Police Announce New Direction, Video and Audio, in the Delphi Murders Case. The leak is from a very high-ranking person on that team. Thank you, dear. Yes, this is third hand We are very excited to report this news. Hes a suspect, as Mr. X is, as so many people have been. And maybe he's actually under witness protection from the killer without tipping him off and also keeping him away from the angry mob. Did he work alone as a solo killer? This is why its so hard to get girls this age pregnant. "I can't tell you eye color, but I can say they're not blue!" Whether this is reference to a vehicle parked near the CPS building or a generic request for witnesses is unknown. DELPHI MURDERS: WHAT TO KNOW ABOUT THE 2017 KILLINGS OF LIBBY GERMAN AND ABBY WILLIAMS. Mike Patty reveals that he went back to the house to retrieve "phone information" and brought it to the police so they could start "pinging" Libby's phones. The suspect, who appears to have no prior . To me they are like magicians pulling rabbits out of hats. We can agree to disagree . . If so, then it would be nearly impossible to pinpoint a killers DNA or anything from those toys considering how many children may have touched them. Missing Indiana girl found in basement; arrested suspect investigated in Delphi murders 04/28/2021 12:27 pm PDT Tippecanoe County. October 30, 2022; Richard Allen - Indiana Law & Potential Charges Relating to the Delphi Homicide October 29, 2022 Precisely what evidence police yielded to establish enough probable cause to make the arrest remains unclear: all documents related to the matter have been placed under seal for the time being. My sleuth now thinks that the dolls came from the graveyard. Although the Delphi murders remained unsolved for over 3 years, the Indiana State Police department have not called their investigation a cold case. There was also a 19 year old man who lived on the street who was said to be talking to Libby, so that might be the tie-in you are thinking of. This was no accident. Police say the girls mostly talk about 'stuff girls talk about'in the recording, but they also mention the man. All that is known publicly is the initial sight of the encounter (the south east end of the bridge) is not the same location as the body disposal sight. . I haven't been on in a awhile. We also have zero evidence that BG used his stepsons photo to catfish Libby. Allen, 50, has been charged with two counts of murder for killing German, 14, and her best friend, Williams, 13 a major break in the mysterious homicides that have baffled investigators for nearly six years. "Or is it a matter of they're strongly suspecting that other people were involved in some capacity and they want to run those things down? It turns out that all of the other witness accounts of seeing BG the 16 year old girl, the arguing man of the couple under the bridge (Daniel Pearson), and possibly Dan McCain saw BG with the white scarf obscuring his face as can be seen in the BG video. The witnesses could only see the top half of BGs face. There is a small fee of $20 to join, which includes lifetime membership. They were reported missing that night, and their lifeless bodies were found the next day in a wooded area about half a mile from the railroad bridge. On February 22, 2017, Indiana State Police release audio taken from Libbys phone, presumably taken from the video she was taking. It was initially believed the sketch that has been in public view over the last two years of a person in the age range of his 40s to 50s was a person of interest in this murder investigation. The suspect, who has no criminal record, worked as a pharmacy technician at the local CVS in Delphi a town that numbers about 3,000 people. I have a few, but they probably dont hold a candle to what you came up with. This section was relatively shallow and during certain seasons it acts as a sandbar. Were seeking the publics help to identify the driver of a vehicle that was, parked at the old CPS/DCS welfare building, in the city of Delphi that was abandoned on the eastside of county road 300 North next to the Hoosier Heartland highway. Click the tweet to view the imagesat a larger size. Information sent by email is kept confidential and is only shared with investigators. Investigators believe the killer of two teen girls is hiding in plain sight in the small community of Delphi, Indiana and that someone who knows the killer may be "afraid" to come forward. I will have to go back and look through my IMs to see to what extent she corroborated the other woman. DELPHI, Ind. I mean what if he approached the car after she dropped the girls off and she knew who he was and was polite and replied but didn't want to think it was him. Havent updated the list in a damn 10 years and addresss is on it still. Her grandfather, Mike Patty, said he did not personally know Allen but that he had "probably seen him. During an emotional press conference announcing the arrest of Allen on Monday, Indiana State Police (ISP) Superintendent Doug Carter stressed that the investigation is "far from complete. Robert Lindsay, Independent Journalist: l Talk about Things You're Not Supposed to Talk About. Tweet by an ABC-7 news reporter showing where crime scene tape was located. Perhaps they know who it is but need him to slip up and someone is knowingly or unknowingly giving him his alibi. Unlike any other sleuthers, we have determined the main suspects in the case, have a good idea of what happened during the crime and what the crime scene looked like, and have recently figured out the motive. You should join the group if you can afford it. The initial contactspecifically happened right at the end of the bridge, on the South East end, where it stops being a bridge and becomes a trail again. Best of all, much of our information is via solid sources such as search party members, official case documents, and LE sources close to the investigation. So we have more evidence, albeit the third-hand source we have never talked to. I also believe that Abby and Libby were killed somewhere else. The second woman largely corroborated much if not all of the first womans report. We have no idea who they may have in mind as the possible accomplice, however, the statement that the suspect is considerably younger than Mr. X adds weight to the notion that the Young BG sketch is based on a person who LE feels may have been accomplice to the crime that day. Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby is clearing up some misconceptions about the Delphi double homicide case released by other media outlets on Friday. released during a press conference on April 22 2019. Photo Source: Strange Unexplained Mysteries (website). Fsg said he saw a couple down by the bridge. The stepson is a 21 year old man who just graduated from high school and lives with Mr. X and his wife, Mrs. X. The Indiana State Police hold another press conference in April 2019. I thought Hughes said the person he heard about had never been mentioned as a POI? We assume that is true because there is a rumor to that effect and also the FBI search warrant we have says they are looking for photos, videos, cameras, videocameras, film, etc. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Tony Slocum said: On February 13, 2017 Libby took a video (with audio) that captured a man on the Monon High Bridge approaching them. I thought I read that the witness was on the same set of trails that day as bg. . How many saw Bridge Guy and when?LISTEN to the FULL PODCAST here -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6KPvghETZ4AUDIBLE FREE TRIAL - https://amzn.to/2KRHO8C\rSUPPORT MINDSHOCK - https://www.paypal.me/mindshock\r-SOCIAL- \rFACEBOOK - http://facebook.com/MindshockPodcast\rTWITTER - https://twitter.com/MindshockPod\rREDDIT - https://www.reddit.com/r/mindshock\rMEDIUM - https://medium.com/@mindshock\rPATREON - https://www.patreon.com/mindshock So now we have testimony from three excellent sources two independent search party members and an LE source close to the investigation. Email me to find out. Hi Caleb. Police say the girls mostly talk about 'stuff girls talk about'in the recording, but, Sgt. We do have Crop Protection Services here in town (recently changed name to NutriAg Solutions, and funny enough they were going to move operations over to the cps building when it was vacant and got into a lease with the town but there were to many problems with the building and it didnt pass code, they never moved in and moved into a building over on Prince William rd instead. Is this where you are thinking that the items came from? The gag order was to be effective until the 1/13/23 hearing on moving the trial. (Indiana State Police). Tried to review some LE-provided information regarding the crime scene w/o speculation. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. It turns out that the composite was fake in a sense. [8] At the time of the homicides, the bridge was still owned by CSX but was unofficially used by the community as a public trail. Undated. Carroll County Historical Museum Photo Archives. 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