In Lovin that cali lifestyle! Todd then asks him about before rehab to which BoJack replies they can't get him for old things he did in the past. Todd eagerly runs off to do so, tracking more tomato sauce through the house. Of course, hes on board with the idea. Todd goes to see Copernicus so that they can clear things up. He goes to the balcony and asks the people he sees running what's going on. But the matured Todd recognizes his friend's faults can affect him. Bojack Horseman's Todd, played by Aaron Paul, is an essential character throughout the series who usually tends to keep his cool. Born Todd felt as though Jorge hated him, but Jorge was really just trying to prepare him for the harshness of life, as nothing in life ever came easy for him. Let's Find Out! In the hospital, the doctor tells Helen she had an anxiety attack and to avoid stressful situations like fake kidnappings under bridges. They go into the chicken coop, and find Becca and set the other food chickens free. Todd remarks that sounds like a delicious disaster. Two female students walk in to get him, apologizing, saying they were doing LSD research in the next room. Todd escapes and gets back to Yolanda's room and tells her what happened. BoJack confronts Todd, accusing him of sabotaging the film to prevent BoJack from relaunching his career similarly to what he did to Todd. Margo then tells him it's the least she can do and expresses remorse formaking Todd buy an addictive video gamethat sent her down a ruinous path. Despite trying to call him, BoJack hangs up, angrily saying hes busy, leaving Princess Carolyn to forge his signature. However, Todd asks Yolanda why she lied and told her parents that he went to college. Todd says that's why he and Yolanda broke up; they had no real connection besides being asexual. He arrives at the place where his meeting is happening with the baby. Do They Know Things?? Todd can't remember anything due to being brainwashed, so BoJack reminds Todd of who he is and that he should come home. BoJack tells Todd to "clean his shit up," to a point where BoJack could be considered abusive to Todd. In Season 6, he makes a match with Maude on his dating app and becomes Ruthie's nanny. In Brand New Couch, Todd comes through the front door covered in dirt, and questions why he woke up in an alley. He takes Todd to get snacks at a convenience store after hearing the news that potential financiers were coming to see a rehearsal tomorrow. In Hank After Dark, Mr. Peanutbutter,Todd, andWandaare at a photo shoot at MBN for Mr. Peanutbutter's new hosting job forHollywoo Stars and Celebrities: What Do They Know? Mr. Peanutbutter calls a lawyer to make sure Disneyland is legal. A few months later, while making out in her parents' bedroom, Emily asks Todd to have sex. He tells him he should stop messing with other people's lives. Jorge then pretends to be a custodian wheeling the trash can inside. )Owner of Run For Your Life: Escape the Rabid Clown Dentists!" He then tells Todd he feels the routine is good for him as it keeps him out of trouble and he can set little goals for himself like breaking his record for the most months he has ever been sober. BoJack then says Todd might have had something in his analysis of the song but then he lost it. In INT. Todd then tells Jorge he wants to tell his mother he has nothing to prove to her as he now has a stable job and has moved into his new apartment. Princess Carolyn shows up at Mr. Peanutbutter's house to find it smelling of skunk and marijuanacourtesy of Todd smoking a joint, and filled with spaghetti strainers. Family Now determined to get the project green-lit, she asks Todd to get a meeting with her with Lenny Turteltaub before passing out. Salinger's assistant Mia McKibben over who should win J.D's prized pen. In The Showstopper Todd sticks a lit pipe into the inside pocket on the left side of his jacket, leaving a visible burn mark on the outside. Later, at Todd's apartment, Jorge calls Todd to let him know he and his mother will not be attending the party as his mother is still recovering from surgery. Let's Find Out! BoJack then asks if Todd hired an assistant. As the drug effects worsen, they begin to get violent, lose their sense of reality, and begin having extreme hallucinations. She tells Helen to bring her famous Frito pies under a bridge. Im pretty sure both Diane and Bojack suffer from borderline personality disorder. He is saved by the ensuing jailbreak. Netflix Advertisement For five seasons, Paul has played Todd Chavez, the human sidekick to BoJack (Will Arnett), a horse and washed-up '90s sitcom star. Press J to jump to the feed. BoJack says he can't imagine. She tells him that she wanted to make him look impressive. BoJack and Vance show up at Todd and Maude's apartment with a plant as a gift. BoJack is packing his things when he is startled by a woman in his room. After Sarah Lynn's funeral, BoJack is inspired to help Ethan actor Bradley launch his Horsin' Around spinoff. He explains he was trying to protect Todd and nothing came easy for him and he only got to where he was today through hard work. Mr. Peanutbutter goes into the bar. I think about the view from half way down and what she must have been going through in her last moments. After the showcase, Todd heads outside with Ruthie and sees BoJack talking to Charlotte on the phone. The security guard lets them take the kidney, as Whitewhale has hundreds of them. Mr. Peanutbutter and Pickles enter the house and Mr. Peanutbutter confesses his infidelity and the party-goers retreat, after nearly coming out and yelling Surprise! BoJack then agrees and admits he has been acting sketchy. which has people run away from the rabies clown dentists and gets them in better shape. They then rekindle their friendship. The two of them make it outside. Todd tells Jorge he's trying to connect with his mother and he encourages Todd to keep trying. He says he couldn't just stop at one, though he probably should have, and now has twelve of them. But when the. Yolanda's dad tells Todd to plug the hole with his erect penis, but Todd, not wanting to blow his and Yolanda's covers, tries to pull his shoe off to use his big toe, calling it "the penis of the foot." In The Kidney Stays in the Picture, Todd's stepfather comes to Princess Carolyn's apartment and tells him his mother is in a coma and needs a kidney transplant. Princess Carolyn then arrives at the photoshoot. Aliases In Horse Majeure, Todd realizes BoJack had tried to sabotage his rock opera. She rushes out the door, and passes the box of screeners to Todd, leaving him with the responsibility. Todd says that sounds fun, and he has to go to a lot of meetings, which he is referring to as Todd Day. Last appearance You are all the things that are wrong with you. He begins to suggest ideas to Quentin Tarantulino, and is reciprocated due to Tarantulino's eccentricity. BoJack asks if they can take this part of the conversation elsewhere. Backstage he gets into a rivalry with J.D. and "Give it to me!" He also once got involved with the Russian mafia. He removes this entire outfit in The Stopped Show and reveals he had his normal clothes on underneath it. He tells Princess Carolyn to make BoJack sign a contract to finish the deal (and to ensure he wont run off again). BoJack observes Todd has really gotten into his role as a nanny. In Our A-Story is a "D" Story, Todd is solicited by two gangs while in prison: the Aryans and the Latin Kings. Emily, then asks Todd if he's gay, which Todd quickly denies. Todd announces Pickles and Mr. Peanutbtter are home. Todd then says BoJack is probably wondering about Georgette. Yolanda's father brings the barrel up the stairs and hears the racket coming from the bedroom. As he is about to leave the Cabracadabra headquarters to celebrate his new wealth, he runs into Emily, and the two reconcile by agreeing to go hang out. He has won over the group, except Brian. BoJack climbs down onto his boat. When Todd does not show signs of being aroused, Angelica confirms her theory that he is asexual. He asks Todd to teach him how to be tough. Emily thanks Doug the fireman for having come and put the fire out. He suddenly gets an idea and runs out. Todd and Yolanda are having dinner with her family, where it's revealed they're sex-obsessedher father is an erotic novelist, her motherAngelicais a famous adult film star, and her identical twin sister Mindy is a sex adviser columnist. Mr. Peanutbutter, who is playing games, wants to get involved with Todds Disneyland because he built it while working for PB Livin' and Todd reluctantly agrees. BoJack asks what Todd thinks is going to happen and Todd replies he doesn't know as BoJack is always dealing with his own stuff. Todd then shows him pictures on his phone, where he put sunglasses on Jorge, and then they were on the plane and went sightseeing. Todd is also seen getting involved in BoJacks antics and schemes. Todd and the other Shenanigags members are at a bar when one of the members spotsCopernicus, who Todd learns is the founder of Shenanigags. Maude then asks if Todd ever gets tired of living at the mercy of other people who allow him to crash on their couches. Todd goes to the main entrance with Diane's ID. In Xerox of a Xerox, at VIM, Princess Carolyn and Judah are preparing BoJack for the interview and telling him what to say when Mr. Peanutbutter walks in and asks BoJack to mention Birthday Dad in his interview and to welcome him to the MBN Thursday night family. BoJack agrees but Princess Carolyn's assistant, Stuart, accidentally breaks the urn. Todd and Princess Carolyn are with their mediator, Mary-Beth. This angers Todd, who argues what is and isn't fair game food, making a list on but Princess Carolyn argues back it's her apartment so everything should be fair game for her. Jorge then wakes up in Chicago in Guy and Diane's apartment, after being knocked out and kidnapped by Todd. Helen goes into a panic attack and Todd admits it was a "classic Todd shenanigan" to get her to speak to him again. Todd forgets what they were talking about, and Diane reminds him it was sex. Virgil is pleased with Todd's rock opera and invites Todd to debut it next month at a theater he owns. His connection with reality (his ego) has been dissolved by years of isolation, fame, alcoholism and substance use. The death of Sarah Lynn. Todd Chavez is one of the five main characters in BoJack Horseman. Towards the end of the season, he tries to rebuild a relationship with his stepfather Jorge Chavez and his mother Helen Chavez after Jorge informs him his mother is in a coma and needs him to be the kidney donor. Todd then asks why Jorge needs to be proud of him on his terms, and why he can't see Todd is living a good life. Jorge says he sleeps on the couch and plays with puppets all day. Age Diane says it's a funny story. He typically wears a red zip hoodie with a plain white shirt underneath, dark grey sweatpants with white lines on the sides, and dark blue flip-flops. Todd meets Maude, PC gets Judah as an assistant, Hollyhock's best friend doesn't have to change majors, Dianne gets on antidepressants. He says he wants to help her pay rent and agrees to give her an office on site. He compliments the house to Princess Carolyn. BoJack reluctantly says he's right and they agree to go get food. In 2018, Diane wants to leave the Halloween party but is her car is trapped between two vehicles. BoJack, however, fails to have much regard for Todd at most times. Todd and Ruthie then take the new marshmallow back to the experiment room. Despite his aloofness and slacker-tendencies, Todd is sure of his asexuality and serves as an important asexual champion in television. Todd then explains Margo Martindale is just an actress and Margo says she was too convincing. Todd suggests playing in the laundry cart, but Emily tells him in a serious tone she wants to fool around in bed. Todd Chavez is one of the five main characters in BoJack Horseman. Yolanda's family continues to fight each other. He thinks it turned out pretty great for a first attempt. BoJack replies he is now sober and nothing will happen. After hanging up Todd thanks Margo for her help. Mr. Peanutbutter had earlier confided in Todd that he has doubts about his marriage to Diane, and remarks he sometimes feels relief when he dreams that Diane disappeared from his life. Todd leaves to get Mr. Peanutbutter some chili so he wont have to meet him on an empty stomach. The character of Bojack Horseman is a washed up celebrity who's stuck in the past. Todd gets dropped off, and when he turns around, Yolanda has left. He introduces himself as Willie Wesleyan and says he needs someone to take over the school when he sheds his mortal skin. Sometime after he broke out, Todd had them edited to say "LA Kings," with the "tin" in Latin crossed out, and "Skinny Jugheads," with the added letters written in purple. There, Todd runs intoEmily, his ex-girlfriend from high school. He tells Todd hes his best friend, and Todd gets on his ship. The party has ended. Henry Fondle ends up managing to "convince" the CEO of WhatTimeIsItRightNow.com to give him his job. Todd accidentally blurts out a confirmation to this and runs out. Todd tells him the fireworks are starting in ten minutes, they need to head down to the beach, and Todd needs to sit on his shoulders. m Princess Carolyn, saying she needs him to pick up the baby from her workplace; as she needs to go to the photoshoot. She then suggests the robots could be powered by the energy from babies sucking on pacifiers. Inside, Emily asks Todd if she can talk to him. Jorge tells him that is mother was sick but she thought Zumba would make her feel better. Todd explains they were just locating the kidney for his mother, and this was all a misunderstanding. Princess Carolyn is stressed by this and by Todd telling her she's behind schedule and over budget. Every person alive experiences difficult times and emotional moments which is why this show was so successful. Todd then takes a bunch of selfies which he says are for his asexual dating app, he explains he wants to stay current, for when someone besides himself joins. The shark then says he thought Todd's last name was Nguyen. Wanda doesnt think he should sulk about itbut Diane says he should. They run and hide but end up hiding in a slaughter shed. However, in Hooray! They continue to argue while the mediator tries to calm them down. Todd tells Jorge he doesn't understand why he has to be so negative. BoJack then asks in disbelief about Todd hiring twelve assistants to help him. Jorge thanks him for the invitation and says he's sorry they weren't able to make it. Maude suggests going to the cafeteria for a new one. Todd walks back from the vending machine in dismay before meeting a janitor who comes out from a dumpster. Todd celebrates his legal victory with a party at BoJack's house. Each frame is packed full of so many tiny in-jokes and background puns that it feels like you could watch the entire series several. To her chagrin, Todd exits the bathroom with nothing but a strainer covering his crotchcovered in tomato sauce, which drips all over the carpet. When they get to a safe distance, a panting Yolanda remarks that she doesn't run much and needs to get in better shape, sparking inspiration from Todd. Once she gets there, she is told they were supposed to bring their kids with them. In Surprise!, Princess Carolyn asks him to become Ruthie's nanny which he accepts. At midnight after Mindy leaves, Yolanda sneaks into Mindy's bedroom to steal her clothes. Jorge says he sees how he failed Todd. At Maude's house, Todd and Maude are on their date. A woman standing behind him, asks him to get a tape for her, out of that same bin. BoJack Horseman is an American adult animated black comedy-drama streaming television series created by Raphael Bob-Waksberg.It stars the voices of Will Arnett, Amy Sedaris, Alison Brie, Paul F. Tompkins, and Aaron Paul.Set primarily in Hollywood, the series revolves around the anthropomorphic horse BoJack Horseman (Arnett), a washed-up star of a 1990s sitcom who plans a return to relevance . Contents 1 Biography 2 Appearance 3 Personality 4 Sexuality 4.1 Reaction 5 Relationships 5.1 Todd Chavez 6 Tropes 7 See Also 8 Navigation Biography This section is in need of major improvement. N. Nickerbocker asks if his project has legs, and Todd says she has legs. He initially prized BoJack as his best frienddespite suffering constant insults from him. Princess Carolyn hears this and tells Flip that they're being renewed for a second season. Mr. Peanutbutter cantremember why, but hes certain thepayoff will be huge. Princess Carolyn congratulates them. Maude and Todd are sitting under a blanket with junk food on a table in Maude's living room. Todd also accompanies BoJack to the hardware store to buy supplies for his auto-erotic asphyxiation contraption to get Wanda to admit she loves him. Todd continued to remain unemployed and slept on BoJack's couch for the next five years, while BoJack financially supported him. However, BoJack, in order to avoid being alone, bought Decapathon VII, and placed it in the convenience store bargain bin. BoJack watches the sunset and Todd shows up on the motorcycle with the sodas. Helen then asks what they should do now and Todd tells her his idea for robot suits for babies so they can do grown-up things. BoJack, crestfallen after not getting an Oscar nomination, calls Sarah Lynn up and asks her to go on a bender . BoJack then tells him about the stewardess at the AA meeting who talked about waking up in a different place every day. In Xerox of a Xerox, Todd decides to move in with Maude and starts a nannying service for the employees at VIM. At Todd and Maude's new apartment they set their duffle bags down and declare themselves moved in. In The New Client, Princess Carolyn is seen overwhelmed, as she has to take the baby with her to work, due to not having a nannyand also the fact, neither she nor the baby got any sleep. Todd congratulates him on this. Todd then says that's racist. Todd Episode!, he accepts himself and officially comes out as asexual. However, Princess Carolyn denied them candy, saying they were too young for the party and too old to be trick-or-treating. It's you. Todd expresses his love of it and says it's amazing holding a baby and thinking they are perfect. Adhd is fond of making people do something "slightly to the left" of whatever they originally intended to do, and there's rejection sensitive dysphoria for some people (which basically means that any perceived "rejection" stings like being stabbed), which is can very easily see Bojack having with some of his reactions to being slighted (not sure Todd then eats the marshmallow. Todd then questions why he'd want that. In Yesterdayland, BoJack asksToddto drive him to his car as he drove his car into a fountain and Ubered home, but Todd rejects saying he has to set up his new theme park. Do They Know Things?? Todd says that one of those vehicles is his car. She asks if he's seen Mr. Peanutbutter and he says that he might be in the library, the one he tried to give her when they decided to split up. Her mother then questions if that's a burglar and Maude explains that Todd is her boyfriend and they are watching TV together. Non-Indicative Title: While the title refers to a line in Horsin' Around, nothing is going well for BoJack as the episode draws to a close. In Mr. Peanutbutter's Boos, in a flashback from 2004 Princess Carolyn answers the door to find three teenage Trick-or-Treaters. Todd is the third character to use the word ". If not, he will dissolve the business and set the clowns loose into the woods, and Yolanda agrees to the deal. Todd tells Henry Fondle he wants to show him something. Todd thinks up the idea to create a dating app for asexuals. Casey explains, Todd said she'd be ideal, because he could be mean to her, and he wouldn't have to feel badbecause that's what she's getting paid for. The barrel then falls and breaks. Todd and Emily go to the hotel room. However, after Flip and Princess Carolyn protest, he reluctantly agrees to give them one more chance to fix things. BoJack questions how he got here. Some point before the first episode, Todd got involved with a powerful drug cartel, leaving him to throw a Quinceaera for the leader's teenage daughter. He cannot eat when hes scared, so hell unfortunately never know the taste of Count Chocula. 30 (As of the finale) Deciding to use it as an opportunity to practice, Todd and the clowns manage to get Princess Carolyn to her meeting with Turteltaub. bojack horseman character maker bojack horseman character maker. Jorge tells him that's cold. Helen then says as more time passed she didn't know how to make things right. Helpful to a fault, Todd is spread thin doing favors for Princess Carolyn, Mr. Peanutbutter, and a visitor with a potential connection to BoJack. Instead, he gets cheered, for keeping them informed. Todd does end up revealing that he gave a pharmaceutical the right to use Philbert characters to sell their products. Book 1: The Search for a New Utopia" (Formerly), CEO of Toothy Grin, INC clown dentistry (, Owner of Run For Your Life: Escape the Rabid Clown Dentists!" The man then runs off with his arms raised, yelling he doesn't care. He later moves in with Diane and Mr. Peanutbutter, and eventually ends up occupying Princess Carolyn's apartment at the end of Season 4. He also has a somewhat more cartoony appearance. Todd replies, "ummmJonathan?". Shortly afterward, Todd became obsessed with the video game series Decapathon until it corrupted his lifeflunking out of high school, losing his girlfriend, Emily, and being kicked out of his mom's house. Todd offers to stick around for a bit, and BoJack agrees and tells him to stick around as long as he wants. He is later saved, when The Hollywood "D" BoJack stole to impress Diane, is then en route to being returned from Mr. Peanutbutter's house to its original location. ADHD is the deficit of attention AND hyperactivity, while ADD it's the same but without hyperactivity. After becoming President of Ad Sales at WhatTimeIsItRightNow.com in The Light Bulb Scene, Todd spends the rest of Season 5 wearing a dark blue suit with the jacket opened, a white collared shirt, a black tie, and dark brown shoes, along with his normal yellow beanie. Unfortunately, the plaque reads "Jerb" instead of Herb, as the email BoJack sent apparently had a typo. He is about to call his mother when he gets a match on the dating app with Maude, the barista BoJack met at the airport Cinnabunny. She rushes out the door and passes the box of screeners to Todd, leaving him with the responsibility. When she is about to excuse herself to go back to the rehearsal dinner, BoJack, thinking its an actual wedding, tells Todd that they should crash it, because people love it when celebrities crash their weddings. When he woke up he thanked Todd for the pancakes and told him to leave. A downed Emily meets up with BoJack at the bar and winds up sleeping with him. Jorge then gets an idea and tells him to get in the trash can. Todd defensively affirms he does knowit's his first time building a robot, in one afternoon at that. Jorge says if Todd calls she'll talk to him. At BoJacks house the next day, BoJack is explaining the misunderstanding with Abe D'Catfish when Wanda questions why he would antagonize Abe. Before Yolanda leaves, she offers to take Todd on a date revealing herself as asexual as well, with a stunned Todd blissfully realizing that this is good for him. Princess Carolyn later goes to Todd's office at WhatTimeIsItRightNow, and asks him for her own office on set. The two of them head down to the beach and BoJack questions why they had to go down to the beach. He is shown in the following episode to be unsure about this and is uncomfortable with being labeled asexual. Emily accepts him for who he is. Jorge then picks up Todd and puts him in the trash can. BoJack Horseman has been written with too much depth, too much empathy to be perceived as a mere rhetorical device. Both phones beg him to not update before his phone relents and understand that he has to update because to love is to feel pain. Todd Episode!, Todd is spread thin doing favors for Princess Carolyn, Mr. Peanutbutter, and Hollyhock. Todd then calls his girlfriend Maude and asks what he should do with the marshmallow. Todd replies that he was only nice to him because he felt bad about Emily. Maude then suggests Todd get his own place as Princess Carolyn doesn't need a live-in nanny anymore. Todd Chavez ( Aaron Paul) kicks off the series as a freeloader in BoJack's house; an old friend who's constantly testing BoJack's patience. Diane believes hes joined a cult, while Todd claims it isntbut BoJack agrees that improv is, in fact, a cult. Todd is seen as being friendly and laid back toward BoJack and considers him a best friend. Jorge makes him promise to be perspicacious in there. Todd and Jorge strategize about their plan for getting the kidney back. He later calls her again and tells her that there has been an accident on set. This new business is deemed "better" by Yolanda, and Todd thanks Yolanda for her help. Jorge says this plan is ludicrous. Todd remembers his class and runs to Shenanigags. BoJack then asks what's the point of working on himself and getting better and sober if people out there trying to tear him down. Maude's mother tells her not to watch any shows about burglars and to keep the door open. Species There is then a flashback to Todd waiting for a meeting, when he gets a call fro. Emily tells him it was a sweet gesture. He then sends BoJack an assistant named Casey. BoJack took drugs and alcohol; Todd took drugs but developed that into Video Games, and is (as of now) free from the vicious cycle. The doorbell rings and she makes Todd shimmy down the drainpipe and waits in her car. In sum, even with Todd's quirks and idiosyncrasies, "BoJack Horseman" accurately portrays real dilemmas that asexuals deal with on a day-to-day basis. That's something that BoJack Horseman seems to understand quite well. She is awakened by BoJack, who informs her she has been asleep, for a really long time. They're going to meet Yolanda's parents, but Yolanda tells Todd that she hasn't told them that she's asexual. Todd misunderstands and says he knows he's a disappointment to Jorge but he does not belong in a trash can, and he hasn't lived in one for several years. The members reprimand him for being late and warn him if hes late again hell be kicked out. ("What Time Is It Right Now - sometime before The Light Bulb Scene")President of Ad Sales at WhatTimeIsItRightNow.com ("The Light Bulb Scene - "The Stopped Show") Does Todd show common ADHD symptoms? (", President of Ad Sales at WhatTimeIsItRightNow.com (", Aaron Paul, the voice of Todd, plays the character of. 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